Show "A note on privacy" every time

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2 years 8 months ago #130495 by stbc
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Hi everybody,

we are running Version 2.06+ of LS and it came to my attention that the privacy message is only shown if the survey settings are switched to anonymous mode. When the survey is running in not anonymized mode, the message is not shown. Is that the correct behaviour? I would like to see the message no matter what I choosed... I find this behavior quite odd, as the user would expect the opposite
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2 years 8 months ago #130498 by DenisChenu
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If a survey is set anonymous : we show "This survey is anonymous ...."
If a survey is set NOT anonymous : we DON'T show "This survey is anonymous ...."

Desired behaviour and really not strange ....

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2 years 8 months ago #130501 by stbc
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Depends ;)

From the users point of view, it can be quite misleading. If you never had contact with Limesurvey you are not used to that behavior. So you can not conclude that "No message" means "No privacy". I would love to see that configurable. :D

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2 years 8 months ago #130502 by Ben_V
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I would love to see that configurable

You can edit the privacy.pstpl file of your template, use the welcome message textarea of the survey, write your own privacy note in the footer, etc.

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2 years 8 months ago #130503 by DenisChenu
DenisChenu replied the topic: Show "A note on privacy" every time

stbc wrote: .....I would love to see that configurable. :D

We CAN NOT show :
1 : "This survey is anonymous ..." if survey is not anonymous
2 : with not anonymous : MAYBE you don't have token and don't ask name etc .... Thne we can not put a default string from LS core.

And is we put : this survey is not anonymous : i'm sure a lot of user make a bug report .....

You can easily add what you want on Survey descrition and/or survey welcome page .

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2 years 8 months ago #130508 by holch
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I agree with Denis: The privacy message is contains information, that might not be true if the survey is not set to anonymous. Therefore this text can not be shown.

If you want to display your own privacy message, this is no problem. Just include it into the welcome text.

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5 months 1 week ago - 5 months 1 week ago #168424 by halliballi123
halliballi123 replied the topic: Show "A note on privacy" every time
Since laws changed in the last years, are there any plans to change this odd behaviour?

I think some users need to have the privacy statement shown in every case (DSVGO) not only if the survey is anonymous.

The option to place the text in the welcome page is not a good idea since the creator of a survey has the option to show or not to show that page.


Or is there an option to remove this option from the limesurvey settings?

thanks
halli

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5 months 1 week ago - 5 months 1 week ago #168427 by Joffm
Joffm replied the topic: Show "A note on privacy" every time
Hi,
which "odd" behaviour?

In 3.x you have the opportunity to enter your own privacy messages (anonymous or not, open or closed)
This way




or this way

the creator of a survey has the option to show or not to show that page.

Yes, he can. But this his very own responsibility. And anybody should be aware of it.
And of course you might use LS for surveys where you do not need neither a privacy message nor a welcome page.

Joffm

btw: why am a fresh lemon user again?

Were there more than 14 posts since 2012?


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5 months 1 week ago #168430 by halliballi123
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Thank you for your quick reply.

1 ) I did not know that there is a 3. version of limesurvey, thank you

2 ) that's right but our boss does not trust into users ...

3 ) no but we donated some money, and my user was twice "donater" or whatever the avatar or status is called and than back again "fresh lemon" and I don't know why

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5 months 1 week ago #168441 by holch
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The privacy message is only shown on anonymous surveys, because of it's content. It refers to the survey being anonymous and you can't show that if your survey is not anonymous. This is why also in the future the privacy message (which is rather a "anonymous" message) will probably not be shown automatically. And actually, I think this should be totally up to the creator of a survey anyway. I would rather be able to create my own messages for each survey, which is why I generally hide the welcome page anyway and create my own "welcome page" via text display questions.

And: The law has changed in Europe, but for me for example the changes are pretty irrelevant. Do you really force me and my users to have a forced privacy message which is completely irrelevant for us?

So: Train the users, tell them what the risks/fines are. Usually everyone who is able to create a survey should be able to understand things. This is rather an issue of creating the correct internal processes, rather than anything else. And about "forgetting": Create checklists, etc. Anyway, good practice is to let at least one other person check your survey before you start. This should cover it.

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5 months 1 week ago #168443 by jelo
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halliballi123 wrote: 3 ) no but we donated some money, and my user was twice "donater" or whatever the avatar or status is called and than back again "fresh lemon" and I don't know why

The donation status is valid for 12 months. After that you get the status shown based on your amount of posts.

Are you a student conducting a survey? If yes, tell me why you use LimeSurvey?
www.limesurvey.org/forum/development/116...y-you-use-limesurvey
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5 months 1 week ago #168444 by halliballi123
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Sorry but this is a quite egoistic point of view. (You also have different date or time format and therefore there's an option for that implemented) I don't want to force anyone ... ... In my opinion it is better to have an option in the survey to tell the survey to show the privacy message or not. Like it is for the welcome page.

Especially if you consider that laws concerning the privacy statement are different from country to country it would be better to make this configurable.

It's not about training it's about convenience and redundancy. Why should every user have to add the privacy statement on a custom page with some textfields on it if it is the same text everytime? This would be like using word without document templates.

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anyhow ... Joffm wrote that there is the option in LimeSurvey 3.x for that. If that is true our discussion is obsolete ...

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5 months 1 week ago #168447 by holch
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I agree that it is good to have the privacy statement more configurable.

But I understood that you want to force the privacy statement for everyone.

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5 months 1 week ago #168454 by halliballi123
halliballi123 replied the topic: Show "A note on privacy" every time
No not force for everyone. If that is what my initial post said than I am sorry for that, that's not what I wanted to imply.

The problem is that laws aren't the same for every user. So I think there needs to be some way to configure the privacy stuff. Maybe it would even be good if that's done by the admin than it would be the same for every user of a company who creates surveys.

There could be of course different solutions for this. e.g. a template for surveys of the companies, more options to configure privacy message and options when to show and when not to show and so on ...

But first I will have a look at version 3.x and check if there is already a way to do that.

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5 months 6 days ago #168544 by Joffm
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Hi,

But first I will have a look at version 3.x and check if there is already a way to do that.

Believe me, the screenshots are not Powerpoint sheets? ;)

In V 3.x you can have any text of privacy message, two styles (embedded or pop-up), in any type of suvey.
And: the participant is unable to proceed without agreeing to this.

Of course you can do something in V 2.50. Just remove the {PRIVACYMESSAGE} placeholder and enter your own privacy text. And this text can be independent of the status of the survey (anonymous or not).
It's just always there.


Joffm


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